Card Rewards (possible spoilers?)

[armadi]

OK I posted this message on gamefaqs board but this board may be more amiable to discussion on this subject. So here it is in its entirety (so far there are no responses so no need for me to excerpt them here):

There has been some speculation in the past on this message board about the cards rewarded after story matches. In fact, there have been several posts stating that you only win certain card types after beating certain story matches. I'd like to put down a few of my own observations and hopefully get some feedback- and advice as to the best story matches to play to win certain cards.

First, it appears that in vs. mode all cards won are completely random. The only hiccup I've noticed is that a few times (out of many games played) on Dombwood (Zagol's map) I received 1 more rare card than a teammate of mine- he received a normal instead.

I recently restarted Story mode to more easily get the 100 story mode victories medal (that way I could play against Goligan instead of Zeneth). I've played against him more than a dozen times and only won item cards and colored creatures. I believe this is all that can be won from him.

On dombwood in story mode I've only won red, yellow and neutral creatures- and item cards.

I haven't reopened the alchemistic laboratory stage but I remember only winning neutral creatures there.

I haven't reopened Kazetega (Whirlwind's map) but I remember winning lots of yellow creatures there.

Can we maybe get some observations here based on repeated play.

[Captain Garak]

Excellent idea. I need to get my first run at Story Mode completed, so that I can restart. I never really paid a lot of attention to card rarities and/or color as won off of specific maps, as I was too preoccupied with just winning!

[Culd Fusion]

I don't know if any of this has been settled yet, but I'd like to add something. I've been playing various stages in the story mode, just trying to win various medals. I played an all neutral creature deck on the Dr. Morroc stage, and my victory yielded all neutral-colored creatures, items, and spells.

That would seem to lend credence to the assertion that the stage you plays influences the cards you get....

EXCEPT, I made a new deck to play against Pickett on the Rabid stage, but I forgot to switch decks. I lost the match, but I noticed something interesting in my consolation winnings: once again I received nothing but neutral creatures, items, and spells. I was still using my neutral creatures deck and, what-do-you-know, those were the cards I aquired. I suspect that the cards you win are directly related to the cards you PLAY with. Armadi probably won lots of neutral creatures at the Alchemistic Laboratory and a lot of yellow creatures at Kazatega, because those were likely the sorts of creatures he used to play those maps.

I wonder if perhaps playing a deck with no creatures in it would result in winning only items and spells, or an itemless deck would give you only creatures and spells...

[ExMortis]

Since restarting story mode to get the 100 wins medal, now that I'm actually paying attention, I only earned various colored creatures and items, no spells, from Goligan.

Using an all-red deck. So yeah.

[Culd Fusion]

Yeah I agree my theory's killed. I just played an all spell deck against Zeneth and I recieved creatures of three different colors.

Oh well... wishful thinking I guess...

[Lord Blade]

Here's a thought.

Are the card rewards earned for your FIRST fight in story mode on each map specific? Or would every fight have that "leaning" towards giving you certain cards?

So say you play a map the first time, will you generally get the same cards for that first fight, then a bunch of random cards every following fight there? Or will you be getting the same general range of cards every time?

When I have the time, I'll start a new story mode, and do each map say 10 times (or should I do more)? I'll then write down every card I earned. Maybe that will help.

[darklao]

armadi has it right, or at least, righter than anyone else.

I think that the card rewards are map based, and mostly determined by the primary story character on that map. In Dunnan, you seem to win creatures of any color and items, no spells--it doesn't seem to change whether you're playing Goligan or Zeneth.

Anyway, I need red/green creatures, items, and a lot of spells, so I've been replaying Malthessburg a lot--the card rewards are red/green creatures, some items, usually mostly spells.

It might be somewhat useful for someone to play all the boards a bunch of times to pin down the general rewards, but I don't know if it'd be worth the bother. I can tell you from experience that even with narrowing down the cards rewards to red/green/items/spells, I only get a new card (usually a spell) maybe one match in three, and that one red card is still missing. I'm probably not significantly better off than I'd be playing a low goal vs. match against a pushover who isn't matched to the board for 14 cards, random.

[ChamoftheGemini]

I agree with the theory. It is not only consistent, yet in a way proven. When I want more of a card, I go to versus and play a story character with what have you. I will test this playing Zagol numerous times to find out the validity. I do remember receiving a spell at lest once playing him. There might be randomized cards for a percentile of the take away. As to, make sure the efforts are not in vain.

Will post results. Should I post a detail of the cards won?

[Sterling]

It's likely that any reward restrictions (Only creatures and items for beating Zagol) only apply to story mode, not Versus.

[armadi]

My tests were from playing story mode- not VS.

From my experience, vs. mode rewards are entirely random.

[ChamoftheGemini]

Conclusivly, versus Zangol, with in story mode; I have not recieved any spells or blue cards. Contrary to the theory on one occation I did recieve two green creatures. The cards did not mostly relate to Zangols deck. EX: Earth Shield was recieved in the first story match.

One card would repeat from the previous gained cards, in successive matches. EX: Knight shield first match. Knight Shield in the second match.

Theerre is no evidence of the cards in versus having a paralell to the story character choosen. They are on a randomizer. Thi9s was tested with Zangol and Blue , Green, Items and Spells were recieved.

I will post more information as it becomes available.

[Seiryuu]

I have found that generally in Story Mode at least I usually get cards that my opponent plays with. Morroc uses neutral creatures/items/spells and that's what I get from him. Selena in Malthessburg uses red and green creatures and spells and I get those from her. I've also got a lot of spell cards from Luthien and Aldha. So maybe in Story Mode at least the type of cards you get depend on the types of cards that your opponent has in their decks and uses.

[Kepi]

I've been wondering about the same things myself. I have began to keep a record of the cards I've won from the story characters. From what little data I have on Goligan, Zagol and Selena, it seems that these are the general rules for each:

Goligan: (4-5N,3-4S,1-2R) Creatures of the four colors and items.
Selena: (5-6N,3-4S,2-3R) Red/green creatures, items and spells.
Zagol: (5-6N,3S,2-3R) Red/yellow/neutral creatures and items.

Note that the above are from the results of story battles only, not versus (versus battles seems to break all the rules). What I suggest is that we all start writing down the cards we get from the characters, and put all the data together to form a larger picture.

If anyone would like to help, please post their data here on the board or they can e-mail me at [e-mail].
Please include the following information:
1. Your name/handle.
2. Character played.
3. Cards won.
4. Versus game? (If it was a versus game, please include the map in addition to the character played against.)

Something like this would be nice:
Hi, my name is Kepi.
Selena (story mode):
1.Domovikha,Sharazad,Sorcerer,Vestment,Changeling,Forest Leap,Raise Dead,Remove Curse,Slow,Triumph,Wind of Hope
2.Son Ascetic,Long Sword,Necro Scarab,Sling,Tower Shield,Rust,Revival,Fairy Light,Anti-Magic,Vorpal Sword,Vestment
3.Chimera,Cerberus,Luna Stone,Rock Biter,Venom,Weakness,Revival,Plain Leap,Mine,Grace,Anti-Element

Zagol (story mode):
1.Fighter,Pillar of Flame,Salamander,Air Slasher,Buckler,Gaseous Form,Luna Stone,Neutral Amulet,Ruby Ring,Shadow Armor,Stink Bottle
2.Battle Gear Alpha,Ebony Idol,Migoal,Lava Worm,Phoenix,Giant Rattler,Knight,Spectre,Battle Axe,Petrify Stone,Ring of the Succubus

...etc.